NFL Championship Weekend Recap. We learned 2 new rules this week.- Kentucky Basketball and an argument about Calipari returning to Lexington

Charlie and Anthony look back at:
NFL Championship Weekend
Commanders vs Eagles
Bills vs Chiefs
More fishy calls for KC
We learned 2 new NFL rules this week.
UK get a big bounce back win in Knoxville vs Ten.
And things get HEATED when the topic of Calipari returning to Lexington comes up.
Are Charlie and Anthony still friends?

Transcript

Charlie (00:23)
Welcome back to another episode of the Blitz the Bookie podcast. I'm Charlie Winkle joined as always by Anthony Roberts. is Wednesday, January the 29th, and we are coming off of conference championship weekend. The Eagles put up a 50 burger and the chiefs won yet another one score game and set up a rematch of the Superbowl that we had just a few years ago. I know this is not the matchup that some people wanted.

But I'd argue that this is the matchup that everyone should have wanted. I think we have the two most consistent teams throughout the year. And in my opinion, we have the two best teams playing in the Superbowl. We have the best running back in the NFL, a top five quarterback of all time. We have the best coach in the game and arguably the best tight end ever. What else could you want?

Buffalo Bills in the Super Bowl. If you're arguing about this matchup, all you want is something different. I've heard the I'm not watching the Super Bowl because I don't like the Chiefs or the Chiefs. They cheat, which I'm sure we'll talk about a little bit. All right, you know, I'm just tired of seeing Kansas City in the Super Bowl, but I'm not on board with all that. I love the matchup and I think it's going to be

An awesome game. We also got some college basketball to talk about today. Kentucky coming off of a pretty disappointing loss to Vandy comes back last night, goes to Knoxville and gets the win over the Vols. Another top 15 win for the cats. Another early resume builder for Mark Pope and the cats get back on track after two losses.

So we'll talk about some college basketball as well. Before we do all that guys, thank you all for listening. We appreciate you taking the time out of your day to check us out. Don't forget to like and subscribe on your favorite streaming platforms and check us out on the Blitz the Bookie Facebook TikTok and YouTube pages. So Anthony, you heard what I thought about the matchup. What do you think about the Superbowl matchup this year? It's a good matchup.

All in all, it's probably two of the best teams. I think the Rams had a shot there against Philly if it didn't snow. I really think the Rams were closer than what people think to making the Superbowl. But on the other side, It was the Bills or Chiefs, maybe though Baltimore and that was your, your three best teams. Detroit had an argument, they just got some beat up. beat up. They probably were the best team healthy. I still believe that.

still got a lot of wins with the injuries they got. So they got an argument for it, but I just think the consistency throughout the year was these two teams. did have a small one or two week little thing going on early in the year when Sirianni was arguing with the, the fans there. other than that, I think they were pretty consistent all

it really didn't matter for me who won the game. I had some bets on Buffalo. had a, I really, I made a pretty big bet by my standards. Future about five or six weeks ago on the Chiefs. So I was kind of covered. I hedged a little bit because I needed, the game really didn't matter to me. And that's kind of how I felt about it going into it. I told you all week, Charlie, I was 50-50 on it. I liked Philly a lot, but on that game, I just could not really key into who I liked.

The game was really close. but I do think Buffalo got a raw deal and I think Buffalo maybe was a little bit more consistent than Kansas City this year as far as looking good each week. But we Kansas City. only had one loss all year. They did, but they had a lot of really close games and I know you win close games cause you're a good team, but they played in a little bit easier division.

I don't know they're there and I do think Kansas City is really good. I told you I thought their offense was really starting to That was my issue all year with Kansas City. I like their defense a lot I love how they can stop the run. I like that but my issue was their offense was really struggling well about five six weeks ago I start seeing their offense come alive when I was watching them and that's kind of when I jumped on board I was like man these guys don't get serious to playoff time and that's when I made that future bet

All in all, yeah, I like the Super Bowl matchup. It's a good matchup. It's star studded. also got rematch.

And you've also got Andy Reed playing against his former team You did again in the Superbowl. So that's, that's a pretty cool angle. And then you got Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, T Swift. That's been Kansas city's most valuable acquisition is Taylor Swift. It may look, they call it an entertainment business for a reason. I think there was actually a, somebody tried to sue the NFL or Sue a player.

and they couldn't do it because the NFL is considered entertainment. They're definitely entertainment business. A lot of people that think that there's really some cheating or collusion going on with the NFL and Kansas City. A lot of them think it's got to do with Taylor Swift and the dollars. Look, Taylor brings in money.

You know who I argue brings in money? The Dallas Cowboys. So if they're cheating for somebody, why are they not cheating for the Dallas Cowboys? Why have they left the Cowboys in the dumpster for the last 30 years? Because you got to be good enough. if we're going to play ball, we're going to do business together. You got to be good enough to do what I need you to do. You figure they would have tried to pull them out of the dumpster at some point. They had Romo. I mean, I understand now they're probably saying, look, you got

If you want us to pull you out of the dumpster now, you're going to have to get a better quarterback. get that now, but they did have Romo. mean, I mean, he was, he was good. I think I seriously think that if they're cheating, if the NFL seriously cheating, why is it? get my homes is a star, but there are stars all over the NFL. I would argue that the Dallas Cowboys bring in more money than any, even the chiefs now with.

the way they've been these last few years, the Dallas Cowboys probably still bring in more think what the NFL likes about what Kansas City does for them now Taylor really brings in the new fan, Look, the NFL has their sports fans, Charlie. They have the people we've all grown up on sports. love NFL football, college football, those people you don't have to work for. They're fiends.

but you're always looking to bring on new fans. Like the NBA did with Europe. For the NFL, this was the perfect way to bring in. Now they're trying to get the teeny boppers? Why not? You got everything else. That's what they're getting. I mean, absolutely. I've heard people that don't even know much about football, people I know personally, and now they're making all these comments and they're watching because feel like they have a person in the game.

Taylor's in the game. Hey, Taylor, have you ever seen Taylor Swift concert tickets, Charlie? yeah, they're ridiculous. The girl's the girl's a draw. I mean, a draw. She makes like $27 billion every concert she does. The money she's making is outrageous. She's going to be on Elon Musk level here pretty soon. She did. It's pretty crazy how much money she makes. It is crazy.

I could definitely see in them wanting to bring in that new fan. That's a fan they've never really been able to reach. Well, let's say this. homes has been a starter for seven years and they have been to seven straight AFC championships. If I'm not mistaken, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Taylor's only been around for about a year and a half. about those five years before that? That's cheating for them then. No, but

I think it's fatigue is what it is. think it also could be city fatigue. The same thing happened with Brady. I think the same thing's happening now. I think it could be a combination of maybe some of it's not set up and they're not cheap. Maybe a lot of that. But you add in that combination of with some believe and I kind of believe that they are cheating. So you got both of those added together and then the times they weren't cheating.

they want it or did really well and then you get the times where they were able to push them through a few things line up and all of a sudden you got the perfect store.

I hope Kansas City fans too much Charlie too much too many times. Look, I never believed it Charlie. I joked about it. Of course like we all do think there's fatigue with how many times we've questioned some of us that are saying that we forgot how many times this has happened. This has happened a lot. They always seem to get the big important calls.

They do, they got a lot this week, and we'll get into them, we'll talk about them. But there wasn't just one or two, I thought there was a handful. I posted one that hasn't really been talked about too much on TikTok. And man, I did not know that it was that easy to get under the skin of Kansas City Chiefs fans because they're on my ass. and I really wasn't even...

questioning the actual call in the video that I posted. I of joking around about Hopkins pointing and getting the ref to change his spot, which is what the video looked like, no matter what all the people want to tell me. It's what it looked like. It's probably not what it was, but you know, a little sarcasm. can't get TikTok though. I guess they don't get the sarcasm.

Charlie, did you ever watch the documentary I told you about on Prime Chiefs Aholic? Yeah, I watched it. Yeah, I watched it was a good one probably setting up at the pin celebrating. Yeah, he's figuring out a way to watch the big game here in a week and a half. For those that haven't watched that, go on Prime, it's called Chiefs Aholic. follows the story, tells the story.

There was a Kansas City super fan. He was the Kansas City Wolfman. You see him on TV. He dressed up as a wolf for the games. People didn't even know his real identity. he was well known in the football world. You've seen him on ESPN. You've seen him on different things watching games. he became a huge thing in Chief's Kingdom was. Nobody knew who he was, but everybody knew about him. He was that.

The Wolf man at every game and he went to every game. He loved to do three home games and away. he did. And people always say, how do you afford all of them? He loved to do three things. He loved to Kansas City cheese. Love to go in their games. He loved sports. He was a big sports better, large amounts. And he loved to drive the way games never flew so he could rob banks.

I guess that's how he paid for his game when I guess that's how he paid for his away. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert. Yeah. You know the story. If you, probably heard it. I actually heard the story when it happened. yeah, that's a good documentary. I do recommend it to anybody that hasn't seen it. It's great. It's it'll catch you whether you're a sports fan or not. It's very catchy.

All right. Well, you want to go ahead and get into the little recap of these two championship games. Let's rock and roll. All right. Well, let's start with that first one. Philly.

Bromps Washington the magic Ran out the angel got knocked off the shoulder Daniels didn't play bad, but We said it he was up against it with that defense And he hadn't faced a tough defense in a few weeks So, all in all Daniels had a great year, but yeah, that was a lot to overcome.

It really was a rough matchup for Washington. I told you before the game, I made some prop bets on that, never make prop bets. like Jalen Hurst to put up some good passing yards. Cause my theory on it would be Washington's run defense was bad. Philly knew that, Washington knew that. Washington had to try to slow down Philly's run game or they wouldn't have a shot. I figured they would come up, really press at the line of scrimmage, bring guys up, get aggressive. And I thought it would open up for a lot of easy passes. I was correct on that.

it worked out, but it was just a bad matchup for Washington. You can't let a team just run all over you. They had to try to stop that somehow. And that's when they opened up the pass game. So just a bad matchup for them. They turned the ball over. and Daniel's actually played really good. He only had one interception and that was on that last drive. So we can just kind of X that out. We've talked about that before down a lot forcing stuff.

very end of the game. I'm pretty sure if I'm not mistaken that interception was at the last last possession or maybe second to last possession when they were down about 40 points. only averaged 5.3 per pass play. that's kind of low. That is low he was still had a decent day, 29 for 48, 255 yards touchdown and interception, but

The game was over pretty daggone quick. know Washington did make it, would they make it 14 to 12 or something there for a second? But then it took all of them maybe about two minutes for Philly to score again. I think they scored again and then got a turnover and scored again real quick. They made it 14 to 12, cut it to two. But then I it only took about three minutes.

They scored two more couldn't stop them. They even tried to, and Charlie, I've told you about this a million times. I've told all my friends. I don't even know if I've talked about it on the show or not. I've always said that if you're playing defense, you get down to the goal line. If you're on the one yard line and you can't give that up, you need to stop it. Why not keep jumping the snap count?

just keep doing it until you guess right because they can't move them any closer to the to the goal line or they mess up fumble it or jump off sides which Philly almost did Philly almost fumbled the ball. I've always had that like two plays earlier. No, it was before they started started trying to jump the count. they were trying to jump at the whole time. they which look it's a good defensive call. what's going to happen? They're going to get closer.

I always said there's nothing to lose, but actually there is something to lose, but I would still do it on the one yard line, especially because if you can just get it back to the five, they jump off sides. But we found out a new rule. Didn't we Charlie? Yeah, we found out that you only get two chances at that. You get two because after the second one they said, well, we're going to give was it only two. thought I thought it was like three or four after the second one. They said we're going to give a warning and the next time

that they do it intentionally. I think they said they were going to do a 15 yard penalty enforced on the kickoff. I believe is what they said. know what I seen while they brought that rule in there's a name to that rule. I forget it. But the reason they brought that rule in was like in the 1950s. Somebody was breaking for like a wide open touchdown and one of the people off the bench came out and tackled him. So they had to put a rule in where the officials could award somebody a touchdown.

Because that's a totally different situation. It gives the officials the power to award a touchdown. Well, he said the first time about the warning and the 15 yard penalty enforced on the kickoff, which I think is what he said. I totally understand that. I thought, man, yeah, that sounds right. But then they jumped at the next time and the, what the ref said had to been the funniest thing I've ever heard out of a ref.

just the way he kind of fumbled a little bit and said, the next time this happens, the refs have the right to award a touchdown. And I'm not going to lie, Anthony. Initially, when I first heard that, I thought, he's full of shit. He just made that up. right off the top of his head, he just made that up. But I'm not dumb enough. These NFL refs are the best of the best. They're the best refs in anything that we've got.

Now I will say that home plate umpires, I give them a lot of credit. Those guys are really good, but I think the NFL refs are as good as it gets. They're not just going to make something up off the fly. I'm sure they would get in serious trouble if they did that. and from what I've heard, it is a rule. And honestly, your idea of jumping the count every time.

It's a great There's no downside. The upside if they would continue to let you do it every time the upside is they're going to mess up at some point or they might. Yeah, they might. a great idea.

but I still think you have to have that rule though. Y'all no doubt. And I have to have that rule. I think it does it for, you know, like the play I said, you gotta have something to be able to award somebody a touchdown when you need to. I know that sounds silly, but like I said, the guy came off the sidelines, the tackle guy, you can't just give them two 15 yard penalties. You gotta give them the touchdown. there's gotta be a rule in place.

Well, in that situation, you have to be able to give them a touchdown because I think you want to go really jump off sides every single time and the game would never end. No, it wouldn't. And until they messed up. And if you were starting, messed up. And if you were stubborn enough or if the game meant more enough and you were enough of us and you want to disrespect the game, you would just keep doing it until they did every time. So you have to be you. They have to be able to do that. a good rule. Listen, I've always thought it.

But hey, you get two chances, jump that count twice. Well, you know, I've all, why did it take this many years? I've said that for years. I guess I'm ahead of the game. Honestly, I've said it to all my friends for years. Dan Quinn, I guess things like me a little bit, for me, it was kind of, justifying cause it's just, there's a few things out there that I've always talked about. Why don't coaches do this? Why don't coaches do that? they did it.

There's NFL coaches. They're way better coaches than me. But game management, I could help them out. Like hire me, put me in your ear. I could help you out. Some of them NFL coaches, they're horrible, Charlie, in game management. Not all of We've seen it, right? We've seen that a lot this year. It's really surprising how bad some of those coaches are in game management. It really is. I know they're good football coaches. I know the...

you know, developing an offense or developing a defense, putting a group of guys together, bringing them together, that's a different skillset. But game management wise, that's a skillset in its own. Maybe I've gambled too much, maybe I've watched too much football, but I feel like I'm always

head of the curve on that stuff. So learned a new rule, that was one of two that we learned. We'll talk about the other one later. So we talked about Jayden Daniels, Jaylen hurts 20 for 28 to 46 and a touchdown also had

three rushing touchdowns. He did. So, Jalen Hurts has three rushing touchdowns and Saquon Barkley has three rushing touchdowns. yeah. And Will Shipley scored one too. They gave up seven rushing touchdowns. And listen, take nothing away from Jalen Hurts because you know, I don't think he's that good but he had a good game. Yeah, but nothing looked hard. Tell anybody on that team. say that. did. Charlie, Charlie, his his stuff was pretty easy. You say that every time was easy. us the ball. You say it's easy.

Dude, that one thing, the one guy was wide open. think he got like 60 on that one. even for pretty flawless game, even for Saquon, it just looked easy. I think they were really struggling with trying to control the balance. That's what makes a team like Philly so hard. besides that first run for 60, the Saquon had, he only had 58 after that's what makes it so hard for teams.

with Derek Henry Lamar to guard that I told you I listen, I'm not a Jalen hurts guy. I think his numbers look very below average. I told you before the game when I was making my vets. I liked him to put up good passing yards. Washington had no choice but to cheat their guys up and get aggressive trying to stop the run. Sounds like they did after run there. It's you have to gave up seven Russian touchdowns though.

when you defense is a problem. They need to do something on the off season with that defense because it is a problem. No, it is. And look, Philly's rush offense gives everybody a problem. It does. But seven touchdowns. Well, I don't think they have been exposed much. their, Russian defense was bad. Their past defense wasn't that bad, but Russian defense. Well, there's not a lot of teams in NFL that really exposed you on that. There's not a lot of great running teams in NFL no more. but

Philly is a team that will expose you in those situations. having the running especially on an offense that's already dynamic. I don't think Saquon would have done this in New York this year or Derrick Henry would have done it in Tennessee. But when you have already a good offense and then you add, a good passing attack and then you add a superstar running back with a really good offensive line, I mean, what do you do? you bring in, more defensive backs to try to stop the passing game?

Then they're going to get physical with the run game. Both offensive lines are really good. it's hard to deal with it. I wonder if any team this year scored seven Russian touchdowns in one game. That seems that does not happen very often. That's a lot. lot.

I'd be willing to bet that seven might be the record for this year. I don't know. Maybe I'm off on that. But if I am, it can't be by a lot because that's unheard of. But you know, Dan Quinn's a gambler and I felt like all game watching them, they were gambling. And I get it. That's worked for him. But it also can lead to some big scores from teams. I don't think there's not a matter of a game. When you're down, you got to wait. You know, I think he's a risk versus reward guy. And when he was down, he knew he had to get it even more aggressive properly. It just didn't work out in his favor.

He gambled like four times on the very first drive, went forward on four, converted like two thirds and longs, I think. And then two or three fourth downs on the first was it? Seven minute drive. They only ended up getting three, but if you remember that drive, they went for it on fourth down at least twice on that drive actually they went for it. Yeah, twice. They went for it twice and then settled for the field goal.

Which I thought was a good move, him settling for that field goal because you can only go for it on fourth down so many times you're going to get caught. So he had already went for it twice on that, on that drive, but they had to work their ass off for those opening three points there. And would it take one play 60 yards, seven to three real quick. he must be doing something right. Dan Quinn. do like him. He's like even money to win coach of the year.

You got O'Connell reading hardball all three at five to one. those awards would be ready to be given out pretty soon, but it looks like he is, a shoe in for coach of the year, Dan Quinn. Yeah, I agree with that. O'Connell has a argument, but he had a better roster going into this year than Dan. I Washington's offense is pretty good. I was watching a lot of those receivers. overall roster is not what,

Minnesota's got a better roster than Washington top to bottom. think easily. On offense, think Washington. Yeah, they got a good, Minnesota's got a good roster too. Their defense is heading show. Big time. Not even close. Washington needs to make some changes with their defense coming into next year because they're good team. I said it early, early this year. I told you, I thought they were a good team and I thought they were a little bit ahead of schedule, but they ended up a playoff team. Not only a playoff team, they

They want a couple games went to the NFC championship. It just wasn't their time yet. Rookie quarterback. had a great year. Washington had a great year and they shore up that defense a little bit. There'll be a threat again next year. think a big reasoning for that success this year that's not getting talked about. Of course, you know you get Jayden Daniels talked about. Dane Quinn being talked about by the Cliff Kingsbury. he was the offensive coordinator at Texas Tech. I think he he was came in the NFL.

became a head coach.

said he never liked being a head coach. He didn't like having to be hard on the guys. He was more of a coordinator. He came back this year. But anyhow, from stuff I've read they say the Washington, the design of that offense this year was really impressive. So I'm gonna take their word for it, because I don't study Washington like that.

We all know Cliff Kingsbury, the offensive genius he was. He didn't work out as a head coach, but has always been great as a coordinator. So I think we should give a shout out to him as a maybe top offensive coordinator in football. Yeah, they got a good coaching I love Dan Quinn. saying it since they hired him.

He's got the right energy. And I think that the team seems to play for him. No doubt. So watch out for Washington moving forward. We all know how the sophomore slump goes for a lot of these quarterbacks. So we'll see how, how that plays out. If Daniels don't work out, they always got Mariotta on the bench. He loves Mariotta. I will say talking, speaking about awards.

probably your rookie of the year, I would think. yeah. Do they do? Is it an NFL rookie of the year? Or is it a AFC and an NFC rookie of the I'm not sure. I do know. Yeah, it's a if it's AFC. The boy from the Raiders got second. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Bowers. Bowers. Yeah.

I'm not sure if they do AFC or NFC, but if they I think it's Daniels. If they do one of each, those are your two. Bowers had a hell of a year. broke the record for rookie receptions in the season. He did. Yeah. Really good year Bowers is nice. Writers don't, you know. They need a lot. Yeah. They got some decent pieces though, but yeah, they do. need more. They got Pete Carroll.

We'll talk about that. We're going to talk about the NFL coaching carousel here in just a bit, but yeah, Pete Carroll to the writers, the writers. We'll, we'll touch on that in a second. So the second game.

Buffalo at Kansas City the game everybody was waiting on it didn't disappoint good game not disappoint Classic came right down to the end again

I'm not going to sit here and blame the refs. I'm not. We've talked about this plenty of times. Trust your eyes, Charlie. I feel like you keep talking yourself out of it because your logic's kind you gotta trust your eyes. Trust your eyes. what your eyes tell you. NFL is cheating. But that's because you want to believe that. What's your eyes telling you? eyes are telling me that some stuff looks fishy. It just does.

A handful of close spots that I felt like every single one of them went Kansas City's way. Everybody knows the big one that everybody's been talking about with the tush push The officials, Mark, they were like two yards off. One was a yard in front of the 40. The other one was a yard behind the 40. How can we be two yards off from each other? So while we're on this, let's just get into it. For one, it was a blown call. 100 %

That was a bad call. I don't understand how you can review these plays and still get it wrong. Especially in the NFL. the NFL gives you the utmost forward progress. Always, you know, they do it with everybody. We all know it. I'm not always crazy about it, but they give it to you. They give that call to everybody. They just do. He got it. But before we go any further.

What I've been screaming for years, Anthony.

Put a chip in these balls. I like a chip in the football. I like it. Some kind of system laser system or something. However, they do it going across the field. However you do it, they do it for tennis. Why is there not a chip in the ball to take away? These measurements by the referees Union, I would guess. I don't know. The measurements are almost gone.

Every once in a while you'll see him pull the chain. At least pull the chains out and show me that we're trying here. Because now on super close calls, they just say, he got it. What do you mean he got it? Spot the ball, pull the chains out like back in the day, if you're not gonna have, the chain thing is stupid. They wanna hurry up and those chains till they're The chain thing is stupid. But I'm saying if we're going by how we do it now,

Pull the chains out on the field and show the people. But the chain should be obsolete. I tell you, they should be there for the Put a chip in the damn ball and all this goes away. That call cannot be blown when there's a chip in the ball. Period. End of story. we always talk about cheating and how referees cheat or players cheat game one. I think one of the biggest areas in football.

where the referees are cheating. when you really, can tell one that's kind of fixing a game or kind of massaging it one way is the marks on the balls. Like when players go down, watch a game, not during the important time, just on average plays. Watch certain officials. You could tell when they're.

When they're half of them, when they're running from the sideline coming in with their spot, they're running like a spaghetti noodle anyway. then that one official keep favoring that team with little spots here and little dude. you'll see what you saw in, in the Buffalo Kansas City game. You'll see one referee from one side of the field coming in with one spot. And then the other referee coming in on the other side.

with a totally different spot. And they were like two yards off, not just one, they were like two yards off. one guy that had the spot for first down. He could actually see the ball. He was looking at Josh Allen. He could see the location of the ball. That's a rough book. I hate to say calls.

determined the outcome of a game. Then were some big calls, you know, or was the other one with the interception. But those were some big that that game that call was huge. It was huge. They were up to driving I'm not saying they score touchdown, but if they do they're up nine. You know how good that would have So that was given Kansas City the ball back for fourth quarter. That was a huge call.

How fast does a baseball come the picture to the catcher? Fast. 100 miles an hour, 95. Yep. you know how fast they hit a tennis ball faster than that? Like 120. I think the girls, the guys hit like 120 or 130 and they track that ball with a computer system or a chip. It's called Eagle eye.

and they do it with baseball and the baseball strike zone is very accurate. And the tennis thing seems to be accurate because they've been using that for at least don't quote me on this, but tennis has been using that for 15 years, not like two or three years. They have been using that for over a decade. bet. Yep. I don't think you're telling me that the NFL is not doing that. I do not understand.

hell, there's not a chip in that ball. It blows my mind. Especially with how much they want to use technology this day and age. I will die on that hill until they get a chip in that ball. I get it. Get rid of these arguments, man. And especially you want to talk about, all the gambling and stuff going on and, we got to report, make sure we're reporting injuries the right way for the gamblers. Well, let's make sure we're getting the calls right for the game. No doubt. How about let's get make sure we're getting the call.

Calls right for the players that are playing the game that deserve the right calls. I probably sound like I'm a new school technology. I'm old school, so I do get the human element and I respect the human element. There's going to be mistakes made. Those mistakes are made on when you throw a penalty for pass interference and maybe it wasn't it was a bad call.

The refs are humans. They will make mistakes on the spot of the ball. That shouldn't be one of the mistakes too many judgment calls. You can make a mistake. That is not a judgment call. That's a fact. Did you get to the line or did you not too many big calls are going Kansas cities away bottom line too many of the pivotal super important calls.

or going Kansas City's way. Look, we all blame the officials sometimes when we lose. It feels good. You lost. There ain't nothing else you can do. So you might as well blame it on them. You know, argue, like you say, stand on your heel. Somebody just beat your ass. You know, it's all you got at that point. I don't even mind it because I get it. I've been there myself. I've been at the point where I've been so red after games. I'm looking to blame it on anything, but saying that you straight out beat me. Been there, done that. But with Kansas City,

and the situation going on. How many times time and time again that they continue to get these really big calls, Charlie.

I gotta trust my eyes. I always say trust my eyes. I did not think that they were cheating because my mind kept telling me, they're not doing that. No, like you said, the arguments you made, I thought they were decent arguments. I kind of thought that myself. But when it continues to happen time and time again, no, I'm not buying it. Well, let's talk about the other rule that we learned.

Last play right before the two minute warning in the first half play ends and what's the what's the play clock 40 seconds there was a half second difference there was a half second difference between the play clock and getting to the two minute warning it was obvious and with about

20 to 25 seconds the announcers even said it on the broadcast. They're going to have to snap the ball. There's a there's a difference in the in the play clock in the game clock. They're going to have to snap the ball and that's big. That's a lot bigger than what people think. You might think it's petty. Well, that makes them run another play and that gets them a down father into it that was big from a game, you know, talking about game management. That was huge. and within

about five seconds of the announcer saying that they must have got a call in their ear because they switched it real quick to well, they're going to use the blended clock rule. Yeah. Let me repeat that for everybody blended clock rule.

Y'all didn't know that existed. No. Another rule that is, and when I initially heard it, I thought they're full of shit. Two games in a row on championship Sunday. They out, are making rules up. They brought out everything this weekend. It brought out everything.

NFL refs aren't just going to make shit up. So I'm sure that that is a rule, but who was calling that game? Tony Romo was calling that game. He didn't know that rule. No, Tony knows everything. Tony Romo did not know that rule. go back and listen to it with 25 seconds left. They said they're going to have to run a play.

So they didn't know about it either. I don't think anybody knew about that rule. No, please let me know if you knew about that rule because I've been watching football for a long time and I've never heard. I've never heard the term blended clock. Have you? Nope. I have not ever heard the word blended clock. I have unbelievable. I like to learn new things also. I guess we learned two new rules in the same day, which is pretty cool.

Yeah. These calls, man. I look for the record. I do not think that the NFL is cheating for the Kansas City Chiefs. But and stuff's fishy. There was another one. The one I posted on Tik Tok. It was a play early in the game. Might have been even first quarter, maybe second quarter. DeAndre Hopkins catches a pass near the sideline.

Turns goes upfield goes out of bounds right at the marker, right at the first down marker. While he's getting up, the line judge is marking his spot and he stops and marks the spot about a half yard short of the first down and Hopkins gets up and you could see Hopkins pointing saying, no, there's my spot right here. And as he's saying that the referee moves from a catch from a half yard short.

to getting it by half yard and motions first down. did go look at it. It's on our tick. It's on our tick tock page. Go check it out. It's there. It's going crazy too because Kansas City are pissed at blitz the bookie right now. So if you are listening, which I'm sure you probably aren't because you're probably like, ain't listening to that podcast. But look, if you do, I do not think the Kansas city is getting cheap is cheating. I don't, I don't think the NFL is cheating.

But it is getting fishy. And for any of you that want to tell me that that play wasn't, it wasn't even close. That's what everybody wants. That wasn't even close. He got the first down by. For one, I do think he got the first down, but it wasn't about whether he got the first down or not. It was more about the look. The official made his mark, nothing about you, but the official made his mark. A player comes up protesting, protesting. It's there, it's there. And then he moves. And another thing people want to say as well, the ref.

never stopped. Yes, he did stop. He stopped and he had his spot and then he moved it. So look, do I think the ref heard Hopkins say, there's my spot. And he said, I'm going to move it for DeAndre Hopkins. No, but the visual does not look good. It just doesn't. Let me ask you this. Do you think the NFL puts, a filter one like NBC or ABC, maybe Tony Romo's bosses?

and says, Hey guys, we can't put these officials down all game or I guarantee you that they're not allowed to. I guarantee it because they got that contract. You would lose that contract. we cannot keep bashing our, you know, we can't play into this. There was a play earlier in the game where my home was fumbled it Buffalo got it and they caught it back on Buffalo jumping off sides and he, he jumped the count. I went back and looked at it. I looked at it a bunch.

It's close. Like you can jump it sometimes and guess it just right. It definitely looks like he moved before everybody else, but it almost looks like he didn't get across there. It was like perfect timing. That's how you blow a play sometimes.

It's super close and it never, they never showed the replay straight down. And I, that point, and that was early in the game. And at that point, Charlie, I was wondering, is the NFL not wanting them to, to show things like that was for a turnover. I think there's absolutely times where they don't show a replay on purpose because it might've been a bad call by a referee. And I also think that the. Announcers like you're talking about are definitely limited.

Do I think they're told that they can't say anything about the refs? No, cause they, sometimes you'll hear them say not so much that was a bad call, but they, even the, sometimes they, they pull the head official in there to they'll go against what the ref say sometimes. That guy did the rules analyst. He went against them twice on the interception and the, on the downs. I do give them credit because they, I've heard them go against them and I've heard

announcers criticize refs a little bit. And those guys are, they will not go in on them hard. Well, those guys are also very protective over those guys. on calls, they're kind of petty, The rules analysts be like, yeah, but that is the rule. And you know, they'll always protect them in that situation where a call, yeah, it's kind of the rule. But are we calling that when we let all this other stuff go? But like those rules expert on ABC or NBC.

They always protect those guys. So I definitely feel like they're pro referee. They're former referees herself. Yeah. Another thing while we're talking about the calls on the third down to her on the fourth down to push where the, the controversial bad spot. Go look at it. Pre snap. Go look at it. Revolting. I think that they showed it right over tick tock. Yeah. Well, I'm saying, did they show that on the broadcast? I'm not sure.

He's like, think I saw it on the broadcast. not sure. I think I saw it on on the internet somewhere. Go look at it. the Kansas City guy was lined up offside and he's the one that jumped the count and he's the one kind of blew the play up. He's the one that got the penetration. You know them guys guess a lot of times in those situations. Sometimes that's the only way you can stop it. I don't have no problem with guessing.

But you gotta be lined up on sides And if you watched it, he was set up not off sides. And then he moved at like the last second and repositioned itself to be off sides clearly for about one full second before the ball was snapped. So there's no excuse for one. The line judge is standing there looking at it and two, he moved himself into that position. You should have saw that.

Let me ask you this right here, Charlie. And this is just a thought.

does all this controversy about cheating and everything that goes on does that bring in more viewers for the NFL? Everybody wants to say, I'm gonna stop watching. I'm not watching. Their numbers never go down. I'm just saying though, they got their numbers in some office, some room, they're studying them. And I hear all this stuff, well, I'm not gonna watch it. One thing I've learned about Americans,

and I've talked about it. Americans, they don't boycott nothing. They do every once in a while, but No, they won't give up nothing. They're not going without Americans aren't not today's not like our, the people of the yesteryears are great, great grandparents and stuff that, gave up things when they're when our soldiers went and fought at war and

brought war bonds and had rations. Americans today don't do that. So when they look at those numbers, because of the cheating, does that bring in like maybe a new viewer? They normally wouldn't have because, maybe somebody ain't a big sports fan, but maybe they like controversy or maybe they're conspiracy person. And so they, maybe it's bringing in new fans for them. can, I can get with that angle.

I'll tell you what's not happening. They're not losing viewers. Nah, they are not. I've that. outside of sports outside of football. People do not stand up for what they believe in. If it takes giving something up, it's not even about believing in something. is about believing in something because 95 % of the it's like 95 % of these people that say I'm not watching the Super Bowl because I don't like the chiefs or I'm not watching the Super Bowl because the chiefs are cheating or whatever.

95 % of those people are going to watch. agree. Maybe more. But my thing is in society today, if you really believe in something and you feel like, something's being done, unjustly at that point, stand up for what you believe in. Give it up. the only way people are going to stop doing something is if you hit them in the pocket. And the only way to do that is the, people stand together and boycott whatever issue you're talking about.

But today Americans, we're not giving up nothing. And I'm not talking about one thing specific, I'm talking about a lot of things that I've seen happen over the last five or 10 years. they might not like it, but they're not willing to draw a line in the sand and say, you know what? Nah, I feel like that's good to be able to do that. Whether you're right or wrong, being able to stand up for what you believe in and say, no, I'm not gonna support that if you're gonna do this.

there's no way a person should be pumping money or pumping their time into something that has no respect maybe for something they believe in or something, that maybe someone else believes in. All right. So we got caught up a little bit there. Kansas City got it done again.

They're back in the Super Bowl again, trying to do what's never been done before. Three in a row. That would be, that would be historic. You think Chiefs of Hollick, you think he's having a party in the pen? I guarantee it. Hooch. They're going to have some homemade Hooch. I guarantee it. Some Look, as much as we hate on the Chiefs and

have fun with the cheating thing. Anthony, we're watching greatness here. What's going on with the Chiefs the last three years, whether you like them or not, whether you like Patrick Mahomes, whether you like Taylor Swift or any of the... I can get with the whole team. that goes on with it. What we are seeing over the last three years, especially three, but...

My homes has been the seven straight AFC championships and they're about to try for the third straight Superbowl. I don't care what you think about it as a football fan.

It's greatness. is. But I've learned to respect greatness. But on my back, you know, I've told you, I've been looking in these advanced analytics and trying to look at them. He is number three on my list of not numbers. I got numbers. I took off a website on advanced analytics of he's number three on the list of throwing the wide open receivers. I don't give a shit about that. I'm talking about seven years. So it can't be just him then it can be the I liked what you said at first, the whole Kansas City deal. I didn't, know, any rate that you've been there for seven years.

was that him and Andy Ray, Ray, by the gym and yeah, and who else by the gym, the ownership is a lot that goes into there. You go. There's your common denominator for the last seven years, but it's it's not always him throwing to open receivers this year. Sure. he's one of the best top five quarterbacks. He could retire right now and be in the Hall of Fame. He never had to do anything else. He's in the Hall of Fame right now. I don't, I don't think he's super accurate.

I don't I don't think he's horrible. He's a good thrower of the ball. Of course. He's not horrible He's been to seven straight AFC championships. I'm telling you that them advanced analytics Lamar was one you could take off with Okay, when we're talking about a guy who it matters when your guys are wide open when your guys are wide open for seven straight years He's no wide open receivers. I'm telling you when I watch Kansas City a lot I've always said even before I looked into this For now this year a couple last years wasn't but when they had Tyreek and all those guys

I always thought it was a lot of, throwing to these guys and letting them work. Now, listen, I'm not saying he's a... a well coached team and a good system. That's right. You 2-1 for having a system. No, no, but I'm saying that we're talking about greatness. But if we are talking about greatness, you're talking about greatness. I don't... When I say top five, I'm not taking that lightly. To me, if top five, I got to see you're doing something special that no one else Joe Montana didn't have top five numbers. But he's a top five quarterback.

Maybe, maybe. All right, it's arguable, but I'm saying he didn't have top five numbers. If you want to talk about numbers, there's a lot of guys numbers that was better than numbers. you can't always go by numbers because different generations, they put up different amount of points. some generations, it's more run dominated. We talked about that. But to me, when I watch a guy, how much does he do for his

My homes doesn't do a lot for their team. do think he does a lot, but I also think there's a lot of other pieces. I think they always have had him some really, a really nice setup to work with. I think there's guys that don't have that same nice setup. So now they get discredited because of the team. Well, I don't get, you don't get to me, I don't put you in my all time greats or take you out just because maybe you haven't won a super bowl. just don't to me is a more. bowl. I'm talking about.

possibly three in a row. I Dan Marino is the best quarterback all the time. I don't think he's ever won and he's never won a Super Bowl. And look, I will argue that all day. I will argue right with you that he's the greatest quarterback, but it's me and you have had these discussions and we can maybe do this. We can have this discussion. Yeah, we know how we feel. some time. Yeah. But to me, gunslinger, most accurate

best quarterback is kind of two different things to me. Most accomplished quarterback and best quarterback is to me, that's what I heard that argument. I didn't come up with that. I heard somebody make that argument. It might've been, I forget who it was. Maybe it was Montana talking about who he thought the best ever was. And he said, there's a difference between the most accomplished and best. And I like that. I do like that because most accomplished, I definitely think.

you just talking about stats when you're saying, no, I'm just saying, when I watch him, I can see he's doing special. Like he's picking this up. He's putting it over. gotta argue with me. I'll argue Dan Reno to, to the end. pretty, know, who I'll say is, the greatest. I think Peyton's a tough guy. hurts me. think Peyton's a tough quarterback. I do. I don't think he always played on the dominant teams. Like some guys have, he played on some good teams though.

Look, I'm a Dolphins fan. learned to respect. What I was watching when the Patriots were doing what they were doing. I absolutely hated them for years, even though my team sucked and had no chance to win the division or playoff games or Super Bowls. I still hated them, but towards the end, I don't know if I just matured a little bit or just maybe much. My just started thinking differently, but.

I started respecting what I was seeing, maybe just as a football fan. think it probably helped out that my team never had a chance. So it made it a little easier for me since my team was never battling with them. Sure. But yeah, I respected what Brady was and I actually became a Brady fan. You know, I did. I actually like Brady and a y'all have heard us dog Kansas City. I actually like Brady's really smart, makes a lot of a judge. And I think my homes is really smart too. Do not take that away. I do think he's smart.

But Brady has, he never played worse than with the, nine defense. But it's very similar, but I do think Brady is the smarter, reading the defense, being accurate. Now my homes is more athletic creative, which I agree with that. agree with but I never felt like Brady's guys were wide open. like my homes, like Lamar's.

I told you the top three I've seen on the list this year was Lamar, golf and my homes. I see what they're talking about with that. When you watch Detroit and throw it to those guys, then we're well-designed offenses or somebody, something's working, whether it's the balance or, always take something away from, you can't always, but you can't always give it just cause they're, they're winning either. There's more, there's one, that's one player, on a whole team.

Yeah, he's the captain. He's the quarterback, but there's, there's all these players. There's GMs, there's coaches, there's situational as well. used to claim that anybody could win with the weapons that two had, and that was proven to be false. I didn't say anybody. We, thought he had a good situation. He did. Yeah, I did. But it was proven that anybody can't just step in there and win. Now who are we talking about? Who's y'all's backups? Well, Skyler Thompson. Okay.

And Tyler Huntley, who, is a respectable backup, won some games in Baltimore just a year or two ago. Well, your coach had a tailor made because when two went out, your coach McDaniels like he lost his best friend. I'm just saying you can't take too much away from people when they, because they have good teams. It's not just about my homes. It's about what we're seeing out of the Kansas city chiefs is

one of the greatest runs, if not, might end up being the greatest run we've ever seen.

I don't think they're there yet. if they win the super bowl, they'll be the first team to ever win three in a row. They're not winning. Listen, I got Kansas city on a future. need them, but I'm probably gonna hedge off. I'm probably gonna go ahead and cash. we'll get our, get our picks next week, but spoiler alert. Don't bet against the chiefs. Not in the super bowl.

Well, one more thing. One more thing on this game. If you're out there and you're saying that Josh Allen can't win the big game. If you're saying Josh Allen choked, he played very well. played well last couple games. You're crazy. Yeah, he played awesome. That game was not on Josh Allen. That game was on the Bills upper management.

for not getting him enough pieces. And I will call it out. Sean McDermott, The play calling, you cannot run a play over and over when it continually does not work. And that's what they did. They ran the tush push like they thought they were the Eagles. They'd had success with it, but that- You keep saying that, maybe they have, but they were-

unsuccessful in that game and how many times did they Chris Jones shut it down. know, they ran it. Yeah, too many. I don't think you can do it against the Chiefs. They're too strong in the middle. They're too strong. And what are we doing? And a lot of them teams like Philly Saquon's not back there pushing.

Jalen hurts. you think it's a tight? It's like Goddard. Do you think tight enders? Do you think teams are learning how to defend it? I'm watching. They're like pinching in. even pushing. I know they didn't even have anybody pushing. Not even a little guy. Well, they had Kincaid try to push. I'll be honest. It was kind of a miserable effort by Kincaid and not the not the pile on after that drop. Let me ask you this. Not to not to switch it. I know it was in completion. I think Josh Allen's maybe the only guy on the NFL that could make the throw the last story made that was in completion.

I had somebody text me as soon as that play happened and said Josh Allen sucked. So you gotta have strong arm. They were being sarcastic, but I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that saying he choked. That play right there.

That's hard. Put a timer on the rush. He's fading away. That was the quickest rush he saw all day Two guys running untouched on the biggest play of the game. The whole team it felt like. but those two were untouched and they were, I mean, he had to bail out as soon as he touched the ball. And he was falling as he threw and had to throw it a pretty good amount of way.

I couldn't believe no turnovers. He had no turnovers. Once again, how he's protecting the ball. Look, the guy played awesome.

How am I a dolphins fan ended up cheering for Tom Brady and this past weekend I was cheering for the bills. You know why? Cause I like Josh Allen a lot. Oh, he's good. It's the only way I would cheer for the bills. Cause I don't dislike Kansas city. I really don't but I was cheering for Buffalo, man. And I was thinking,

How the hell was I sitting there cheering so hard too for the bills? You know, I got three three pros and one college guy. I like my quarterbacks. Josh Allen's right there. He's, I'm a Bengals fan though and I like Joey B. played my favorite, but it's him, Stafford Allen and in college, I DJ Lagway out of Florida at the freshmen. So.

He's my new guy, but then we're my guys, man. I'm the ones I like. They're all stud quarterbacks. So don't come after Josh Allen. Cause that was, that game was not on Josh Allen. Not at all. I love the super bowl matchup. I think it's going to be a great game. Philly dropped a 50 burger, dude. They're going to put up some point. I like this to be a high scoring game.

See, I'm opposite. We've talked about it. we've discussed it. I think it's going be a low scoring game. So, we'll talk about that next week. Oh, when you are a kid, thinking about Kansas city, what's the number one thing that comes to your mind? Mine's a little different probably than everybody else for me. Derek Thomas a little bit loved. They're one of my favorite players of all time. I Alabama. I think he played Christian. The Nigeria nightmare. always think of Christian. Playing tech mobile him coming through and slamming that ball after he get a touchdown a little.

generic graphics they had. Love them too guys. That was super All right, well before- Do you remember on, on super Techno-Bowl when the cheerleader was dancing and then a little skirt would pop up For a kid man, that was kinda risque. That's funny. You remember that? I remember that.

before we talk about some college basketball coaching carousel in the NFL think the first ones that kind of fell into place was what variable to new England. That was a, maybe a two, maybe a week or two ago. like variable. Perfect. Higher. I like

another former player though, right? They went from Mayo to Vrabel. I hope they give Vrabel more than one year. They will. He's the right guy. I don't like Mayo. me, it wasn't a good hire originally, but if you're going to hire somebody, I say this all the time, not unless he does something that, ethically not correct or just, you know, bad leadership top to bottom. If he's good enough to hire.

then give a guy two or three years. He made a big decision to become your head coach. You know, it changes his life decisions from there. I know he's compensated, but he might not get another head coach in chance point. One year, one year. Especially when he's one of your guys. Yeah. How do you do that to one of your guys? I don't, don't, I don't like it. I don't, I don't like the quick. I don't like the quick fires. You know that but I love, I love Rable to new England.

Yeah, I Hope he loses a bunch of games, but I do think that's a good fit. I think was probably Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, strong hire jump ship to and division team. He's a guy coach of the Bears. He is. He's a guy that has been with Detroit. Offensive coordinator this year that offense to gut.

golf, all those wide open receivers I was talking about a second ago. he'd worked his way up through the Detroit organization. He didn't jump team to team. I think he started with Detroit in like 2018. He came in as a quality control guy to a tight ends coach to a passing game coordinator to an OC last couple of years. I like a guy that stays with the one organization works his way up through that organization.

I think that's a strong hire by Chicago. I like Caleb. I like some things they got going on up Chicago.

I think that's a good fit. I like that higher too. mean, I think anybody would, he was probably the most sought after assistant for this round of new head coaches. So I think the bears love it and I guarantee you their fans love it. They need a change. They need somebody to come in. That's a good. They've already got a cool, got them a good young quarterback. lot of good young players.

need a coach. Hopefully they got him one there. Let's see here. Brian Schottenheimer went to Dallas. McCarthy Brian Schottenheimer, son of Marty Schottenheimer talking about the Chiefs again, longtime Chiefs coach Marty Schottenheimer, his son Brian Schottenheimer coached several places throughout his time in the NFL, was been offensive coordinator with the Rams, the Jets. been quarterback coach with Indy.

So where's he been the last couple of years? Where has he been? know he was in Dallas. Yeah, he's with Dallas. Yes. Typical. He's all for Jerry. He's offensive coordinator in Dallas, but McCarthy was calling the plays almost like a McVeigh situation. He was with Seattle 18, 19, 20 is OC. Then we're good Seattle teams in 18, 19 and 20. That's a puppet for Jerry Jones. a former assistant that'll keep his mouth shut. He already knows how

how Jerry runs the ship. He'll keep his mouth shut and will be happy. Maybe they'll start winning. Somebody listens to Jerry. Jerry's smart. Jerry does not get the credit. Jerry ain't as dumb as everybody thinks he is. The guy's a world-class business guy. not no dummy. He's not a wild ass. He's He needs to get his hand out of the personnel. It's real simple.

Get your hand out of the personnel. Terrible hire. I'm calling it right now. If I owned a team like Jerry Jones, I was a successful businessman. I was still making money doing it. I'd run my team. I probably coach my own team. I'd be the coach. I would love to see what about if he fires somebody for like the last three games. He says hell with it. He brings us. I mean he owns the team right. Surprised he hasn't tried that dude. He owns the team. but you know they say I've I've heard people say I think it was calling coward. I heard a couple people say

The guy actually makes pretty like sharp. Like he's not as wild as everybody thinks he is. I'm sure he's really smart, but when it comes to the personnel, I just think he gets in the way. They got a pretty good team right now. think I really did Whatever they've sucked for. are, how many playoff wins they have since Troy Aikman. They've had some decent one. think one, maybe one.

Jets picked up Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn used to play for the Jets there for a little bit. Get ready for the ride. the Jets are the Jets. I hate it for Aaron Glenn because he's about to lose a ton of games. but actually not really because another division team for me. Jacksonville gets the most awkward coach in the history of coaches. Duval.

That was the corniest thing that I've ever heard. When I first heard it, Anthony, the very first time I heard it.

I thought it was fake. feel bad. You ever feel bad for somebody because they embarrassed herself? I bad for him. I didn't feel bad for him. I cringy, like awkward. You know when you watch something and you're just like, oh man, I can't watch this. He just kind of turned his head sideways, had a little big smile. was like, oh. He thought he was going to nail that too. he thinks he did. He thinks he Anthony, let's talk for real. What is the chances?

that he practiced that in front of the mirror. Probably a lot real high. You know, he he did not just wing that first Duval. No, he practiced that and that's all he could do. That's you know, he practiced like saying it like five different ways and that's what he comes out there and says.

You just got to see him say it too. If you haven't seen it, go check it out. The way he's, his facial expression, his body language. his one eye, his like his left eyebrow comes up and then at the end of it, his right eyebrow comes up. It's crazy. He practiced that. He is so awkward.

I don't even know how he got through the interview process. One year in the NFL. we know him because he was an OC at Kentucky. Well, I wasn't a big fan, but look, he went and did his thing in Tampa this year, but one year is OC and he got a head coaching job. The year before he literally had to take a break from coaching during the season because he had like had a heart attack from stress. Yeah. He said he was stressed out and had some complications. I think he was out for a couple of weeks. Did they not asking that in the interview? They not talk to him about that?

I don't know, but just seeing his awkwardness, I, he was our offensive coordinator two separate years. He's not, I guess I had never heard him talk because I did not know that he was that awkward. thought he was kind of like a country guy. I don't even show him up North, but kind of like outdoorsman.

They say he's not loyal at all. he'd tell you one thing and do another. he's already proven that twice and actually twice with Kentucky. And he proved it with the bucks. He told the bucks he was re-signing with them. And then he ghosted them for the next 24 hours and the bucks find out he's in Jacksonville. listen, I understand coaches having to do what's best for them, but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it.

most intriguing hire of all of them, the 73 year old Pete Carroll is back in football.

He's going to Las Vegas. 73 and is this the best division in the history of the NFL for coaches? Do you know the four coaches now in that division? Andy Reed, the Denver Payton and uh, uh, Harbaugh and Carrol.

Yeah, is. No, it is. Has there ever been a division with four better coaches ever in the history of the NFL? I don't think so. Listen, I've never was a Pete Carroll guy because I never was a USC guy when he coached in college. And when he left, he got him in trouble. And that's back when, you did that, there was a blackout and yet he left and he ran out the back door when they were getting in trouble. Never was a Pete Carroll guy, but I always respected him as a coach. Like he's guy's guy. He's a football guy. He's he's one of, he's a Jim Harbaugh.

Pete Carroll coach, man. But now has the game passed him? We talk about this in basketball. you know, games change and games can pass you. what worked when you coached might not work now. So, I always gave credit to the old Penn State coach. What was the name? Joe Paterno. He was one guy that was always able to. Change with the times, even when everybody counting now you have like a really awesome season as an old man. It was one thing you didn't change with the times.

a good guy. There was a lot more to that than what they talked about.

to edit that out. We might have to edit that out. Paterno's a good guy. We might have to look back. It's been a while. We might have to look back on those details there, Anthony. He ain't the one that did it. think he was. I think that, yeah, he had something going on there. He didn't do it, did he? No, I think something was going on there. No, he just didn't let it out. when he kept it in house. He kept it in house. He knew about it.

Well, I think that's about it for the carousel. I did see that McCarthy took his name out. He is out until next year. So he's going to sit out, take a little break, wait to see, some, he'll still be, he'll get an, he'll get another job next, next year. There's no, I don't even dislike my car. think he's a good coach. See, I've never been a McCarthy guy. Never have not at green Bay. I've just never been. take him over. Liam Cohen.

But it looks like the Saints he was actually in the running for the Saints job McCarthy was it looks like they are looking at Kellen Moore. offensive coordinator for Philly right now. So he was he was in Dallas. He was offensive coordinator for Dallas. that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Kellen Moore. think he wasn't quarterback at Boise State. Yeah. Yeah.

Really good off and young offensive coordinator. He's had some, good years and he's headed to the super bowl. So Kelly Moore might be the saints new head coach next right. Well, I think that wraps it up for the NFL. Let's let's hit on it right before I know we're going towards the end here, but what's returned to rupt.

yeah. basketball. Kentucky got the good win after losing to Vandy. We are now six and one verse top 15 teams. Six and one. We bounced back to after two losses. I like that because that wasn't a good spot to be in two losses in a row going into Tennessee.

It could have been three going into this weekend against Arkansas. that would have been rough. a good defensive team, Tennessee. some people say we're soft. You've heard them arguments. And so, you know, it was good to go into their, their place and get that win, especially after two losses. That was a big win. We're not a physical team, but what we are is a very well coached team and we make adjustments. We've he's already shown it. has.

A handful of times this year making big time adjustments at halftime.

He did it again in Tennessee. He's a great X's and O's guy. is. We played really good in that first half, but the last couple minutes of that first half, we lost the lead and we were went into halftime down a couple points and we come back in the beginning of the second half and was playing really good. We come out of the breaks really good. We come out of timeouts. I'm going tell you very well. Coach Pope is the perfect and he's not the only one. There's a few of them out there.

He's the perfect coach in today's new college basketball. because in today's new college basketball, being a good recruiter does not mean nothing no more. And who knows, he might not be that good a recruiter, he might be. But that's a skill in itself, but that skill's gone. Because now you buy your players. And so in today's college, you want a great analytics guy, new age guy, a good ex is an old guy. And that's what Coach Pope is. He's really good at that part of the game. the drawing things up and.

Breaking things down, analyzing things. Coach Pope's really good at that. really a coach. think the kind of coach, he's the poster boy for today's college of basketball. What's working with the NIO air. Perfect coach for Kentucky right now. Six and one verse top 15 teams. We are one of only, I think three teams in the country with seven.

or more quad one wins. If you guys know quad one wins might be the biggest thing that they look at when they're talking about tournament seating. Quad one wins. Seven of them.

All five of our losses are also against Quad one teams had a rough schedule. that's a little surprising to me because we have the one loss to Ohio state. But unless I read it wrong, state is in that quad one.

And eight of our 12 remaining games, Anthony, our quad won games. I see. See you're off. Wow. I said it at the beginning of the year that I questioned how good the sec was. I wouldn't question just because of the history. I get it. I get the history of I've heard it before. Now, have I ever heard is the best conference ever in the history of college basketball? No, I've heard that the sec is going to be good. And we're sec this. So I've heard it and I doubted it.

Man, it is loaded. Vanderbilt, the team that we lost to that I said is a disappointing loss. Honestly, Anthony, if you really look at it, they've only got like five losses. I say it's a disappointing loss because of the name and the history. We're Kentucky, they're Vandy, but they're not a bad team. No, they're not. They're really not.

This team we got coming in on Saturday, Arkansas. They're last in the SEC right now. Dead last.

I guarantee they're not going to be no walkovers. We ain't just going to run, run them over and they're dead last in the, in the sec. So the sec has held up as of now.

I'll tell you the team that surprises me not to get off, Miami hurricanes, that flight program in general, their football program, they're spending with anybody right now. Of course, you heard the Carson Beck and I'll

contract supposedly they just offered Ohio State star wide receiver Jeremiah Smith almost five million dollars to transfer there he's from Miami originally I have million dollars for next year these guys maybe can make more college they can NFL but they're spending all this money on football and there's not spending none

on basketball or basketball teams. Not very good. You know, can tag in basketball coaches, begging, please. on. me a mill over here. Just one. All I want to one. Like, how do you justify that? Like as a athletic director? mean, like they're like, and they're owing something in the conference and their record is like four and 20. So we pay all this money, these football players and basketball

we're having this kind of product on the court. If I was president of university, I'd be asking the athletic get football is important here, but we got to spread some of this money across the board. I don't know how that works. So with the NIL and if different collectives are for sports specific at that point. So not only did we get the win at Tennessee, we got it without our starting point guard and our starting center.

Carr did try to go. set out the Vandy game, tried to go in the Tennessee game. They put him in for one minute, see how it went and he, pulled him right out and he never got back in. So, and then Butler was out and he's got a shoulder and they're saying that might be a little more serious than people have been thinking. Butler might be out for a little bit. I don't like that because he's, think he's a great player, but we have actually done pretty good when Robinson is running the point guard.

so I think we'll be okay, but we definitely need those two guys back. But that, think that made that win even that much better. No, it does. you know, you went to home, I mean, a road game against the top 10 team without your starting point guard and start starting center. That's impressive. Well, I think it's almost like the quarterback thing in football. Sometimes that backup quarterback in the NFL, he does good for a week or two because you don't know how to guard him. the books out on this team. How do you, how do you

guard this guy or how do you guard this team? And then when they bring in a new lineup with some new dynamics involved, teams got to re figure it out. Might take two or three games or something. But I think we're a better team with Butler there. That's the opposite is not doing a good job. We're a better team with both level there. If we're going to make a run, we got to have all those guys. do you remember what I told you after the Vandy game? I called you right after we lost a Vandy.

And one of the things I told you was Butler was really careless with the ball at the end of the game. It had a really bad turnover, but looking back at it, my man was injured. He was playing through a pretty good, look, I don't know how significant it is, but the talk is that he's probably going to miss more than just a game or two. So

In that Vandy game, he played the whole game, but I think he was hurting bad. So I give him some credit for trying to play through that. But you know, I do think that affected him big time. We need him. That was the probably the worst game that he's had, but how much can you take from it when he's what percent was he playing at? Yeah. If you're out that look, I've all, sometimes I question how serious injuries are because players want to make excuses. But when you're missing multiple games, you're definitely injured at that point. So

and cars got a back. came in and a little bit in the first half and I guess he couldn't go either. So hopefully we get them two guys back. What's it? They don't have to sit out too long. What's hurt on car? He's got a back. He looks like he gets a bad. Does he not look like he gets a bad back a little bit when you look at him? You're like, he kind of looks like a normal guy, like not even like a high level athlete. You're like, like you'd hang out.

Just with the guys up at the beer joint or, you know, pizza place. he don't like no world-class athlete. Like you got a bad back. He's a baller. he's a baller. He is. give some props to Otega Owe. He takes over the When he decides to put his head down and go to the rack, he can almost take anybody to the rack. He can get to the, to the rim pretty much anytime he wants. And he did that.

for about a seven minute stretch in that Vandy game. I thought he was going to single handedly bring us back. He did actually. And then we kind of blew it there with about three minutes left in the game. But Otega Owe, I'm glad we got him because he's about the only one we got on our team that really can get his buckets when he wants. You know who I think about when

You say Kentucky basketball player taking it to the rack. I go back to my childhood and I think about Turner burner, Wayne Turner. He wasn't a good shooter, but the guy could get to the rack. Wayne Turner had the sideways shot. he could not shoot. His jump shot spun to the side. You remember that? It was better than Rondo's, but it wasn't much better. It might not have been as good. He had it down. Remember he turned it sideways. He did. No, he,

They were both bad, but never returned it sideways. He got it working for a while. He got it working for a while. he had a Hillman Rondo, I've always said if Rondo had a jump shot, he might have went down as one of the NBA greatest players ever. I think his defense, his speed, his IQ, he just didn't have a jump shot. That guys were literally playing four feet off from him, but his passing ability, same thing for Wayne Turner. He could get to the rim on anybody. He just couldn't shoot when the ability to shoot makes him have to come out and guard you a little bit. But when you can't shoot,

They're gonna give you a three or four step head start so like to stay in front of Speaking of shooting Bray and he's to shoot more He's like second in the country in three point percentage, but Way down in attempts.

he had 18 or 20 last night against Tennessee. It was actually a quiet, 18 or 20, but him and Jackson Robinson, both played good last night to the Kentucky boy. So Noah, Noah, but he does not fill the stat sheet yet.

but he's been playing a little bit these last few games and he, my man plays harder than anybody on the, on the court. know that You can kind of see it and he's all over the place. not the best defender, but I'll tell you what he tries hard. He tries reminds me of Richie farmer.

He's actually been getting more time than the Travis Perry kid. And Perry was all time leading score in Kentucky high school basketball history. So there's no, kid is obviously putting in I think Perry's more of a catch and shoot guy. And it seems like this Noah kids more of kind of maybe like a garbage guy. Yeah. he does. He does. So

Cal's coming back. The highly anticipated game that everybody has marked on their calendar since Cal left. I hope that I don't think they will. And I'm going say I don't think they will, but I will not be surprised if they do. I hope they don't booing. There will be people that boo. There's also going to be people that cheer and there's, you know, probably going to be people that just sit on their hands. know how I feel. He's carried himself well here.

Brought excitement back basketball. Had a lot of very exciting years. a lot of good times. Yeah, the end, you know, it got a little rough there, but he carried himself well. kind of did us a favor by leaving. He had us. He absolutely did. He did. I mean, we can joke about it, but seriously, he could have rolled that contract out. He could have negotiated a big money out of that contract.

know, he agrees or we agree or don't agree with him. I almost feel like he took the high road when he did that because I do feel like he cared about the Well, let's not forget that he sat there and him and Mitch made a spectacle of their little press conference or not press conference, but their little video that they made just a day or two earlier. And he said he was coming back

And the next day he was in Arkansas breaching his contract. But you got to do that. I think, you know, look, coaching those coaches. No, he don't have to do that. I think those coaches have all we've talked about. trying to leverage his self money at Kentucky. And that's what everybody does. Everybody does it. Stoops does it. Everybody already had a lifetime. I know, but every had the worst contract since Deshaun. know, but I think some coaches,

they get put in that situation, they use that leverage, Charlie. It happens in all sports. and then maybe it wasn't even him using the leverage. Maybe he wanted to feel appreciated. Maybe he wasn't feeling appreciated. I do feel like a lot of Kentucky fans didn't appreciate what he did. And yeah, there was some that, you know, it was just, they were ready for change and I think it's fair.

But there were some that just fricking asses from the get go. were the same ones. not mutually exclusive though. can love Callum what he did and also say it was time to go. But you can respect him. I do. Okay. There's a lot of people that don't. I can also hope that he loses every single game and still respect him. See, I don't get that part.

I don't mean he's a, he's a coach in our conference. Yeah. I know you're bringing that argument up. would I want him to win? But I don't think a lot of people, if you're, if you're telling the truth and I'm not saying you're not, but about because he's in the conference, I think there's so many people that I know and I've seen him talk to that want him to lose because they want Cal to lose, not because he's in the conference. And I don't agree with it. be honest. I don't agree he would have went to Arizona state this first year,

I would have absolutely cheered for him to lose every single game. See, I wouldn't have. Now, after the first year, Probably halfway through the year, I probably wouldn't even have cared anymore. The fact that he's in the conference, until he's out of the SEC, I will cheer for him to lose every single game.

I want every... a man while he's down. can... People can see that. It's not kicking him while he's It is. People can see the game has passed him a little and things have changed. He brought a lot of greatness to Kentucky. Me hoping that a coach in my conference doesn't win a game is kicking him while he's like this. I think the conference argument is weak. It's not mutually exclusive. I don't like the conference. I think the card...

conference arguments week, Charlie. What do you mean? It's I don't think that's coming into rock arena. I get that. But I'm saying that's why I think it's weak in a sense that that's why people actually side. Okay, I agree. But I also agree decided, but there was reasons behind it. Okay. But say that it's about the conference, I just feel like 97 % of Kentucky fans want him to lose the ones that do want him to lose of that bunch.

They want him to lose. don't care what conference he plays in. There's some people like that, but I think about a big majority of the of that group I think there's a lot of people that support Cal. I don't think the big percentage of people did not just forget about 2010 through 2018. Charlie, I knew a lot of people that wasn't even giving him credit then. the one and done it grew in Kentucky back. Everybody was doing it. Kay was doing cake, copying

Cal innovated it. It was working at the time. were enjoying them wins. I know, but now we have now, now you got a guy that's probably getting towards the end of his career. The game starting to passing by things have changed. Okay. The yes, the game, the guy could can coach. He could coach back then argue with anybody wants to argue, but the game has changed. Okay. There's a lot of dynamics that have changed. The style of basketball has changed. The way it's being called has changed. And yes, it's

The game is starting to pass him by a little bit. think anybody can see that. Okay, maybe it is, but I'm not gonna kick a guy while he's down, dude. Not somebody that's been good to me, carried himself well, and won lots of games. No way, no way. I don't like it. I don't like it. I just don't. That's not who I am. No, I don't like it. If he would have carried himself bad, if he would have done some of the bullshit Rick Patino did, absolutely. He did us a favor by leaving,

in a nice way and he made that decision. Yeah, but and when he made the decision to go make it because he wanted to, Charlie. He made it because, yes, he did make it because he wanted to. Yes, he absolutely did. He didn't want to be around all that negative energy. He didn't want to be around that. I get why. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying, he could have easily just settled out, negotiating a big buyout or whatever and just, you know, went on his merry way. I almost feel like

He threw us a bone by doing that. crazy. He didn't even know that he, he tried to leverage for more think you're crazy, Charlie. I think absolutely. I'm sorry. I agree with you on why I think you're absolutely wrong on this. I do. And I think anybody that thinks like that is there is no reason to hate the guy. He's done nothing. Did I say I've actually said a million times that I love Cal. Yeah. But I did not say that I hated Cal by any means ever. I supported Cal.

more than 90 % of the people did. I supported him longer than 90 % of the people. I don't understand why anybody would want him to lose the conference argument until after the Oakland loss. Okay. Most people gave up after the St. Peter's loss three years prior. Sure. But I'm not going to pretend that after the St. Peter's loss that I was at, I watched it happen. Don't make it no different. that up with two more bad years. I watched a lot of great basketball under Cal too.

I did too, but again, it's not our program when it was in the brought us to the penthouse instantly Okay, he did and then for the last four years look at our record those top teams look at our record first SEC team Look at our record in the SEC tournament. They were horrible years last the last year. They were horrible

The last year record verse top like 25. saying that. I'm that the last year's teams I love. heard you could tell he was trying to change trying to go to offense, bringing in transfers. That team was a really good ball team. They just kind of hot shooting guy. Everybody loved that team. The last year he was here. All the people I talked to, they loved that team. Loved it. Oh, it's a fun team to watch. You know, it was fun. But then we also saw many a times. every single game matter of fact.

the two best players on our team, not starting and not playing at the same time like they should. You want to talk about analytics and numbers? There were numbers that supported the fact that those two should have been on the court at the same time. numbers were clear. Let tell you what I think it is. I think Cal's a defensive guy, a hard-nosed guy. And I don't think that style of basketball works no more. I don't think it works no more. And I think that's why he didn't have, he wanted his athletes in the game that could D up.

And I think he was trying to prove it to the world that it's still that style basketball still worked and I guess it don't I guess it don't and I think game has passed him by a little bit I would love to see him have a resurrection and kind of get some stuff back. don't have that much success at that many different places at that level without knowing how to coach in his day and time he coached with the best of them, of course, he knows but but it's but I just don't like the idea of

I almost see people making fun of him now and I just don't think he ever did anything to deserve it. It's know. No, it's no, it's I don't like it. I don't like it. It's sports is life for a lot of people. It is for me. mean, when somebody leaves and goes to on bad terms. I don't feel like he left on bad time. I just don't. I don't feel like he left on bad terms. It don't matter.

These people that I know a lot of people that hate Cal have a lot of hate for him. I just do. I know people. I know a lot of people. know people. I read message boards, I don't know anybody that hate the message boards. No hated him for 10 years. Yes. This is boards. The smash it's boy. Okay. You know anybody personally that hates Cal? Yeah, I know plenty of don't think he can coach.

Don't think he's an idiot. All he does is recruit players. I know of people that wanted him out way before I did. And that's fine. I have no problem with But don't know anybody that hates But when a guy takes your program from the shithouse, makes Kentucky basketball the most exciting thing in college, even the best coach supposedly of all time copies what you're doing because he knows it's working.

Okay, and you bring all this excitement even to the years that at the end when we didn't have the good tournament runs and what kind of put a bad taste in people's mouth. We still have some solid damn teams, some pretty good teams. Two out of the four. Okay, and that's fine. out of the four were solid. Okay, okay. And then you're a two seed and you lose to a 15. Okay, okay, but you can make that argument and that's fine. And maybe it's right. You're just making every excuse No, maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. You won't criticize that hate is bullshit.

The hate is brutal. hate. It is hate. You won't even say that it was time for Cal to go. No, I'm saying it might have been. It might have been. Okay. Okay. Maybe it was. But I'm not going to kick a dude that's my friend that has done me right. I ain't kicking that motherfucker when he's down. That's not my style. It was three years in a row at Kentucky that it was trending down.

He goes to Arkansas. They weren't like just shit season. We went in as the three seed, we weren't shit season. And then you lose to Oakland. It's fine. You're right. It's not fine. But it's a one game situation. The shit can happen, Twice in three years. Okay. We're talking about a three year sample size. That's not that much, When you think of it's a one game. In a row. Dude, three games. Spread them out. Three games is nothing.

He had a great it's not a good look. I'm not saying that's why you know what happened happened to sit there and have hate. I don't get it. won the championship. We won the championship in 2012. don't get it. We won the championship in 2012 in 2013. We went to the NIT. Did they run him out of town? They shouldn't have we just freaking out shit five great years in a row. You can have a bad year.

You cannot have three bad years in a row at Kentucky. So if you have to it. if, if say Pope was to have, um, two or three awesome years, like he's, you know, he's on his way to do right now. Just have two or three, but he has just bad tournament runs three years in a row. Is he a shit coach then sometimes you just catch some bad I mean, it happens. That's not your whole season. That's one game. I'll call some stuff bad luck. That's what I wrote the St. Peter's thing. Okay. Okay. When everybody else more than bad luck can happen one game.

People have like when you're talking about statistics when you're talking three games you can have bad luck three games in a row in a tournament Kentucky basketball, okay, Kentucky basketball coach K had many bigger than Calipari. Okay, it's bigger and bigger and Matt Jones too. You you think bigger and Jones. Why we can because everybody out here across the state. It's like hearing his radio show.

time and time again. all the Matt Jones says. That's all he says. cause he's, speak for myself. can go into a barbershop. I can go into a barbershop and talk to ain't the barbershop. I speak for myself. Barbershop being anywhere. I got my own mind. I can go into a barbershop and I can hear the same shit of Matt Jones radio show the next day in the barbershop. and he's the only one that got some voice.

nobody else has a voice to talk get that, but nobody, but nobody else has the argument. Well, I'm telling you that's a lot of the things he said. That's the stuff that I hear every day when I hear him talk like almost word for word, almost word for word. What I'm saying? No, just different arguments on Cal in different things. Just dude, it's almost the same word. I stand on the same hill I've been standing on that I supported Cal longer than 95 % of UK fans.

And you don't got to support him no more but I also saw the end coming and I was willing to accept And if you don't have hate with it, I'm cool with it. I had so many of my friends calling me a cow. You love cow. You love cow. You love And I was saying the same things that you're saying. Yeah, if you don't have it. Three years in a row was too much. But you don't got to hate somebody for I don't hate him. Okay, when you're booing somebody, when you're rooting for somebody to lose for no reason, that's hate.

I'm not rooting for him to lose for no reason. I'm rooting for him to lose because for one, he's coming into our building and for two, he's in our conference. I agree with that. The conference argument, I know you've told me that many times, if you truly believe that, I'll take your word for it. But I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think that's anybody else using that argument. I think that's a weak argument. How? Because I don't think, because people I talk to, I just know so many people reading things, people I know that...

have hate that's way bigger than he's in the conference. That's why the ticket's so expensive. Nobody's hating Cal as a person. They're hating him as a coach. It's a sports thing. I guess I take sports too personally. don't hate Cal. am a huge fan. I'm not going to root for somebody that's me right. I'm not going to root for somebody that's done me right. Who else do you know that has... Against somebody, I'm sorry. Who else do you know that has two t-shirts with Calipri's...

face on it that has physically wore shirts with his face on but if somebody has done me right in life, if somebody's done me right. Lifetime pass. Okay. No. a person that I'm on a roof for when he leaves, as long as he done it right, you're damn right it's a lifetime pass. Look, he'll have his time. Let a year or two go by. The wound is fresh. don't feel like everybody feels like you, dude. I don't feel like everybody feels. I don't see how you don't see that.

The wound is fresh. was our now he's not. There ain't no wound. He was our coach, now he's not. What did he do that was bad? He didn't do nothing bad, He didn't do anything. And I'm not saying maybe he didn't do it with the time had passed. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying if somebody's done me right in life, they've done me right. We had some great years together. Things were good. There's plenty in And maybe the relationship went still. But took a good route out.

carried himself well, didn't go around talking. A good round out by going behind him. Come on, Come on. There's a bunch of sides to that story. look, fans didn't want him here. He felt the pressure. He felt it. Okay. He did us a favor by doing that, Charlie. He had no clue how, how people really felt. Well, maybe he didn't. Maybe that's cause he really thought people didn't feel that. Maybe he wanted to believe. Okay. You can say, we just don't agree. We just don't agree.

I don't see it whatsoever. I might be blind. might be an idiot, but I just know I don't see anything you do with stoops. No, you can't criticize. No, but stoops in him are totally different situation. I can criticize. No, I'm sitting here. I'm telling you that his time. Okay, it's passed. But if somebody has done me right, we've won. We've had good years. But I'm gonna tell you what our fans do.

They love Benedict Arnold that comes back in our building after he shit on our face and then they love you. so you are are fat. You hate Rick Petino. Yes, I hate him. him. hate I love Calipari. Absolutely. Absolutely. You're crazy, Charlie. You're crazy. Why do you hate Petino? Because he when I'm done dating you or if I get a divorce, I'll make this. Oh, because he went to a rival. He went to the rival. Oh my goodness. He could have went anywhere else. your arguments are weak. They're weak. You're crazy. So you take it. So you're taking.

So they're weak. You're crazy. Everybody loves Patino. a bad word about Calipari even though he You're not listening to our argument. I'm saying it. I'm sitting here saying it to you. But your time has passed. But you're mad at Patino for going to But Ben, your time has passed and me liking you as a person and wanting good for you when Again, it's not as person. It's two different things. It's two different things. I'm making a logical argument. He won. We had good years together. Okay.

Time has passed, fair enough. You leave, you were good to me, I'm gonna root for you, you're my friend. I care about you. But on the other foot, you got Benedict Arnold over here. He leaves, everybody becomes Boston Celtic fans, we all buy the jerseys, we're all in 100%. And then you have...

Then he comes back to college basketball, the UNLV jobs open, the Michigan jobs open. You can go anywhere in the country. I, If me and my wife get a divorce, I'm not allowed to date her sister. I'm not allowed to do it, dude. If and Casey get a divorce, I'm not allowed to go date Casey. That's just, it's off women. Moval might be the brother, but Arkansas is the cousin. You can't go there either.

You cannot sit here and say that people shouldn't take anything because it's a conference team, then say the global thing is just huge. I guess the argument I'm making on that, and I think that can be a fair argument. Kentucky fans did hate Patito for a long time, until just about a year ago. If I hate you, I fucking hate you. I ain't fucking giving just not giving in.

something changes I think Patino so fucking full of shit. I don't believe a word can blow his mouth. I cheer for Cal to lose every game, it does not mean I hate it. Well, let me tell you, I, know you've said it a lot and I tend to believe you on it because it's, know you've been passionate about it, but majority of people I know that are Kentucky fans, dude, they're tuning in every week from the beginning. Now they know their week, so they really don't have much to tune in for.

They tune it in every week because they wanted that motherfucker to lose. And I don't think there's anything wrong. See, I do. I do. Because it's not personal. You're acting like it's personal. What's the point of pulling against him? Because he, the wound is fresh. was our coach. The wound that we had great years. The argument that you're trying to make. Just cause I'm here. If me and my wife, if me and my wife to get a divorce, you know, it don't always have to be bad. Maybe we just agree that

it was time for a change. And that's kind of what, okay. Y'all get divorced. was still hurt. don't, I'm not saying it. I'm not it was mutual. don't gotta, I don't gotta hate her. I don't gotta talk bad about her to our friends. No, but I bet you that first boyfriend that she went and got, you'd be like, ah, man, I'm not going to ruin it. If I have, if I have success, I'm not going to root against her. I don't want her to fail. I'm not like that, dude. I'm not wired like that.

The wound is the fact that we had such great years with Calipari and then nobody ever thought, I would have never thought that it ended the way that it ended. I would have never thought that. And I think that's what makes the wound. Is that we had such good years. I respect everything that Cal's done. I was at, I paid a lot of money to go to a lot of those tournament games. I was at countless of those tournament games. Watch us win the championship.

in New Orleans. but when it started to come down and then everything blew up, that's a wound, man. Nothing blew up. I wanted those great Cal years to last forever. That went about as easy as a coaching, leaving can go. That went really easy. Yeah, no shit. Because he did it on his own. He did it. And I agree, did do it on his own, Charlie, but he did it.

because the pressure, he knew the fans wanted him out at that point, dude. See, I think the opposite. I think he was too disconnected where he didn't understand how the fans actually he got the damn radio host that jabs at him every fucking time he could. Not us, not us, not us. Not us. Took fucking jabs at him, and he didn't have the voice, so he finally just cut the motherfucker

he cut off all the media. He didn't even start. He didn't even do the post games. I didn't have nothing to do with the radio host that you're talking about. He didn't even do his post games for the last two years. Why didn't he do that? Going out there signing autographs for an hour after after all the games like every Kentucky coach has done probably feel betrayed by some of not all the people but by some of the people.

look, I do think the game's passed him and I think you lose some of your energy too. because you've had success at so many different levels. You're year old. you know, you

you're at the end of your, I think he wanted to prove it bad. think the competitor in him wanted to prove that he still do it. Maybe you're right. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not saying and, and not reconfigure things a little bit. I agree. I agree. don't know. Maybe just rethink how you're doing stuff. But if he did that, do I want to do this? But if he had the fire like I used to, but if he did that, it would have cost Kentucky a hell of a lot more money. Oh, I know it would look, it helped us out.

And he knows it helped us out I truly believe that he didn't want to leave on those kind of terms I really believe that I know just can't get as much as you don't think it did hurt me I love cow. just I'm not listen. I'm not cheering for him this year or next year. I'm not gonna root against the guy

friend. not rooting against him in life. But as long as he gets on that basketball court, hope he loses. me, as long as he ain't a threat, we were racing for an SEC title or we were racing him for fifth place to get in a tournament as a seed, at that point, no doubt, when he comes in the rough arena, going against him. But in the other games, as long as he ain't a direct competitor to us,

say we were going for like seating at that point. Yes. for me, I'd like to see the guy win games right now. want every coach in the sec to lose. But you can't somebody's got to I know, but I'm just saying I want them all to lose. I know, but in the conference games though.

It's you pick guys you like and I like how I feel like when he came into this job Everybody was waiting for him to fall flat on his face. he's a cheater. He's the media not our fans. Well, I think there's a lot of fans I've been getting on message boards for years 2012 when we got our message board message boards play that the biggest snapshot of fans cuz there's

tens and 20,000s of fans and you see all their messages and you see people interacting and talking and you start to feel it. And there were just so many people even when he was winning at the highest level, it was never good enough. are the old heads. Those were the ones, all the young people loved Cal. Sure, I'm not saying everybody loves the 2010, all the young people...

Loved Cal the old heads was the one that didn't like him. I a lot of young people didn't like him because he couldn't win with his talent. No, because of all the previous stuff that all the Derrick Rose and the Cheating and UMass they were saying and all that. That's why the old school heads didn't like I know there's a lot of people. Look, I get on a lot of message boards. That used to be how I communicated sports was on message boards. That was the biggest thing in sports was message boards. It was for a lot of years.

I get a different vibe than what you're saying from the message boards that I would get on. it was a lot of hate even from the beginning, man. There really was. I mean, when you say hate, yeah, there was plenty of people saying Cal is not an X's and O's I've heard that from day one. They didn't like the one and done. They didn't like the one and done. I'm going to fight out, you that. then he it, then when he- fans love the one

I knew a lot of there was a lot of people in the message board. the old school. No, a lot of these guys are a lot of these guys. They old school. don't know. Not a lot of the old school guys get on computers like a lot of them are people our age or younger. They get on these message boards. They would. would love to see some messages. Oh, there's from 2010 to 2015. They're there Charlie. They're there from 20 year old people that said people are age people are I hate that.

Not that he... Well, back in, we was in our 20s Anthony. Well, know, it's... People would always, you know, be like, oh, you can't win with that. can't coach. You can't Well, he's the one going to get them. And that was before NIL. He was the one going to get them. That's part of coaching at that point. That was part of being a good coach was being a good recruiter. Now in today's college basketball world, it's not. And I would argue to say some of these guys having success wouldn't be successful if they had to go recruit those guys and they just go buy them the players.

The hate from the one and done was coming from the national media and opposing fans. But then everybody loved it. Kentucky fans. We loved it. Charlie, I'm telling you they didn't. I'm telling you. I'll get you some of it. Like just a bunch of them. There's a bunch of them. There's topic after topic about I'm telling you. There was a lot of people that didn't like it. There was a lot that did. There was a lot that did. And winning fixes a lot of problems. When it makes a lot of...

that was a new concept to people at that point. So it was a little shocking to people that's that was happening. you know, they didn't like him when he showed up to the NBA draft and stuff. Well, that's part of what he's doing. He's recruiting the next group that he wants them to see that he's supporting these guys that, he's not a fake, Rick Patino got a reputation when he was in college basketball Louisville that the top players didn't want to go play for him because reputation got out in the AAU circles when that was important that he wouldn't play freshmen because he didn't want them to.

to leave for the NBA or, he wanted them for the next couple of years. So he wouldn't play them. I know, but that was their reputation. So when Cal would go to those NBA drafts, A, these kids were, these players like kids to him. spent a lot of time with them. But then B, he wanted the next group of stars to see him. He had a thing going on, man. It was working. And when one and done was working, if one and done was still working, Cal would still be the king of it. But the game changed somewhere along the lines. The rule changed, the dynamics of it, NIL.

the last year at Kentucky, he didn't even get that much NIO money from our people. Maybe it's the disconnect you're talking about. I heard that that was some of it. He was still able to go out and get some of best players in the country. That was pure off his recruiting ability. Well, the reason he was a great recruiter is because he always kept his word to those kids. And that was his reputation in the player circles that Kyle was real, that, you know, he was the man of his word. So many of these guys are fake. They tell these kids one thing and then change their tone when they get in there.

They're like a used car salesman. They'll say whatever to get them in. And then when they get in there, they, they give them something else. And Cal had a reputation in that circles of being a guy that stuck to his word. yeah, he stuck to his word all the way to last year when he was playing DJ Wagner. You know what? I will be honest with you. I think some of it was the defensive thing that what I told you about having the athletes in there and that that way worked for him for a long time when we used to have those great defensive teams that could defend.

But I also think some of it was probably recruiting to, I think he was trying to play stubborn and I've done that before in life. So I know what he's did and it just didn't work. I think he was like, man, I know my way still works. I agree with that. got to evolve to, think the game evolves. I agree. If you want, can be a good coach, but if you want to stay a a great coach, you're going to have to evolve. going to have change. Coach K did it. You just said it.

Well, he copied Cal, but he did it. He didn't want to do that. Matter of fact, was one of the people I was talking about that was hating on I do think Coach Cal was trying to evolve at the wasn't as focused as much like he always had. was getting those offensive players.

He was getting the transfers and stuff. I really do think he was trying to make changes. And I'll be honest with you. I think Wagner has been the worst thing for him. he had a connection with Wagner's dad. they were really close. And I think, know, Wagner being, he was supposed to be like the top high school player. And he thought he could get it out of him. for the last couple of years, think Wagner has been- he promised him some playing time.

Him and his dad were really cool for long time. I thought that Cal did not do that. The promising thing he probably probably all do. I promise he definitely promised DJ Wagner. I think if you want to get those top players, I don't think so much. It's a promise Charlie. I think reputation gets out on you. Yeah, but you know Cal, Cal's little speaking point where it was I go in there and we tell him you're not guaranteed that he used to say that all the time. You're not guaranteed this and I actually believed it, but I'm telling you DJ Wagner was.

I'm gonna tell you all of his former all of his former and I know that's how it is in general But all of his former players that they love him do oh They love him and to be able to get the way he recruited I think that's what second to none and They talking about how really was and just how he stuck to his words and

You heard those things. That's what the word on the street was. It was definitely loyal to his players. He was a players coach, no doubt. But A lot of the way that some of these UK fans feel is probably because of that. Him. He said it openly many a times that he, you know, players first players. Well, I think he knew, know, how Kentucky fans in

Just like I said, like I said, yeah, but just like I said, the program's bigger than whatever. But to be like, I think he knew to be successful. What had to be players first. And I think Pope would say the same thing. Yeah, but that was a recruiting tool for him to say that. I'm going tell you, listen, I love more. I love more. I do think Kentucky fans, some of them, maybe not all, but I do think that it affected affected them the way he would.

put the players before the universe. Listen, I will say this. I love Mark Pope. I think he's a great coach, probably one of the best in what is today's college basketball. I love him. I think he's great. Super excited about him. If I had one knock on him and it ain't even a knock, But sometimes I feel like he tries too hard to kiss the fans ass.

And that ain't no knock because he's new, man. I know. you'll get people. So you're living it. I know. Truly. he is. But you'll hear people say he gets it. He gets it. And I do think he gets it. But I think Cal gets it. He got it, too. But some people just saying willing to go around like that just ain't their personality. Go around and get that early. Yeah, I did a lot of that stuff early on.

Pope almost, it's almost like, I know, but it's almost like he's reading the message boards. Like if things like fans always wanted like on some different things listen, why? Because fans were unhappy about the SEC tournament and all that stuff. And he wants to know, like, think he wants to know what the fans feel. know, which I think that's a good thing. Yeah. I'm not saying you're wrong. You better stay in touch with your fans. I just don't feel like I want to change who I am.

For you to like me, I don't have to kiss your ass. And I'm not saying he's doing it. I'm just saying that. doing that. I'm not saying he is. I don't it's very I think he's living in the moment. Maybe you're Maybe you're right. I think he thinks he's living in a dream. Probably so. Probably so. He's just having a lot of fun. No, I agree. So he's probably thinks to get off subject matter.

Where the fuck did all BYU's money come from? Because when he left, that's when they start opening the pot. Yeah, no shit. Dropping seven million for one player. Where was this money at when I was here? That's probably part of the reason why they're spending money is because they probably downgraded on coach. So they probably had to spend some more money on some players. I told you I heard it was Jerry Sloan, it Steve Kerr, like a group of guy people. That had to be a statement deal because you wouldn't pay a player that much.

I've heard five million get you a good team. They paid what? Seven million for one player? not only that, but pretty much everybody agrees. you're better off getting transfers. They're proven players. Like we've seen, we've had a lot of number one players, Charlie with Cal. We've had a lot. Some of them have been really good. Carl Anthony Towns, John Wall. Some of them been the, Scalabissiere. Some of them has been the sharp kid. Like there's Hittens and Miss and Wagner.

Ball yeah, but he screwed us out some money. why counted and he would only give him game by game contracts because he got that supposedly a contract up front Pretty much lied about being injured Well for the record I do think it'll be about 50 50 on the cheers and the booze when Cal comes in But one thing's for sure That would be a hell of an environment to be in The tickets are expensive

Oh yeah, they're real expensive, right? I don't blame. I really don't think the environment should be like, and I get what It's going to be electric. get it, but they're not, they're not good. I think Kentucky beat them pretty bad. I hope so. I just, don't think they do. just, I think it'd be a close think that would hurt. I think it'd hurt Cal a little bit if they're rough on him, dude. I really do. I think it would hurt him. He won't say it, but I think it would hurt him if they're rough on him. It'll definitely hurt him. He loves Kentucky and you know, I don't think he's

See, I don't think I ever hurt Rick. I don't think that shit ever hurt Rick. I give you the finger. You're crazy. It's been hurting Rick for. Yeah. What do you turn? He loves Kentucky more than anything in the world. He does.

Yes, he does. That's why he was at Louisville. That's why he's trying to cause Pope's back. couldn't show it while he was at Louisville. He gave us the fight there. I see. see. A fan. Yeah. dude. I seen it wasn't to the whole fan. I would hear him get worked up when he was talking about it. But you know why he flipped that finger? Cause somebody said something stupid. One fan said something really loud to get his attention.

You really think he was flipping off the whole fan base? I do think there was a time when Rick had some, I'm not even saying hate, because I do think he enjoyed his time here. wow, like once Kentucky fans start being rough on him for what he did, what he deserved in my opinion. He knew that was coming. But I don't think he took that lightly. I think he took it like, fuck you. Like at that moment. Now do think, you know what, as he got older, you know, he started thinking like, maybe I was wrong.

He knows what he did. He knows what he did. He didn't see the bad in it. He didn't see the bad. He knew what he was doing. He knew he was going to our biggest rival. Yeah. I'm gonna tell you, I feel like there for a while. there was so much just like screw you I you just wanted back in the state. Like big horse guy too. He wanted. He just wanted back in the state. He knew this state is

I just want it back in the family, dog. just want to date my wife. as it gets with college basketball, it gets no better than around here. And I think he wanted back If somebody supported if somebody supported me when I left, we didn't give Rick no shit at all. We gave him zero shit. I remember as a kid, I went out and bought Boston Celtics jerseys. I was all in. Man, he had to. It was a pro job. That's what I told him. Everybody knew that. Everybody followed him.

He went there, you know, didn't have success. He comes back, you know, we have Tubby. We just come off a national title. Things were good. He comes back to college. That ain't no big deal. maybe deep down, I wish we could have got at that, at that moment. the UNLV job and the Michigan job, both of those were really nice jobs at the time were open. And he had, you know, he could have got either one and he could have took any of them, man. He could have took any of them. And for him to take the Louisville job,

He knew how much it was almost to me. I hated Patino for a long time for that, but you know, everything settles down after time and I don't look at like that. What happened with Cal? Like if you've done me dirty and I feel like you tried to hurt me and I feel like you kind of did try to hurt us. And I, until you say, I'm sorry for trying to hurt you. was wrong in that then.

You know, I can't move past that. Patino tried to hurt us, but Cal, no big deal. I don't think he tried to hurt us. Crazy. I don't think he tried to hurt us, Charlie. I don't think he tried to hurt us. Patino tried to hurt us what? Just by coming back to our rival? I think it was a... Well, you don't think thought it was a little bit of a dig to go to SEC team? I think he went to where the money was, think he went... He could have kind Well, because, I mean, look, he would have either negotiated the contract out to us because he owed that to himself, okay? Or he can go to somewhere where

the money was going to be somewhat close. Answer this. Yes or no. And they had a lot of NIL money Arkansas has a lot of NIL money. And that's one of the things the last couple of years that, didn't have a lot of at Kentucky was NIL money. And he thought it was a situation where the, the way he recruits and stuff like that. And listen, Cal, maybe Cal story ain't over. he just got a bad group. I don't know. Maybe probably not. I think maybe the game's passing.

it's not over yet. It might be it Yes or no. Do you think that Cal knew that it would be a little bit different him going to SEC team other than just any other random team in the country? Do you think that he knew that that would mean a little bit more? I don't think it means nothing, I think it to you it does. I know you can So the Louisville thing means everything, but going to SEC team doesn't mean anything.

I think Louisville and Arkansas are not even on the same stratosphere as far as hate and rivalry. I'm not saying those two are equal, but the Louisville thing and an SEC as a whole thing is pretty equal, What's that? Just going to an SEC school. Look, Charlie, I know you I know you make that argument. South Carolina, I know you make that. I wouldn't have cared. What doesn't matter the actual school is that it's in our conf-

Okay, he had to know that that was gonna mean a little bit more than if he would have went to minnesota It might mean a little bit more but i'll tell you

It was the perfect scenario for him. answer is yes. I had to know that it was going to mean a little bit more. I told you a minute ago and it's no disrespect towards you. I think the conference now you've said it many times. So like I said, I believe you. I think you are in the minority on that. Like that you feel that way because of that. the majority of people. If they hate him now, they were going to hate him wherever he went. They were ready to hate him. they didn't like what he was about.

was a perfect storm for, Kentucky fans that wanted, Pope. He's exactly what they wanted. I love Pope. I want to hear these Kentucky fans that hate him. somebody, calling somebody messages. There was a lot. know there's a lot of y'all Kentucky fans that listen. There was a lot of good people. What you think about that was a lot of people are liking, but there was, there was always even in those dude during those great times, there should have been nobody hating.

There should have been nobody. And I would bet you there was- did, you're a dumbass. Oh, you were. But I would argue, say there was 20- If you hate him now, you're a dumbass. I would say there was 20 % of the fans that hated him at that moment. There should have been none. There should have been none. You're not convincing me that 20 % of fans hated Cowell. I'm not saying hated him, but like saying he couldn't coach. I'm sure they were still pulling for Kentucky, but you oh, you can't win with those players. That's all I heard. All I heard. You know, it's- Yeah, but guess who brought him in? We wouldn't have had him without him.

That's part of what he who he is. 50 50 on the cheers and the booze 50 50. I think it's going to be pretty close. But look, Cal get his day. He'll come back one of these days, four or five years down the road. he'll get a big round of applause. Everybody will kiss and hug and make up and everything will be fine because Cal's a big part of Kentucky history.

He just is. We've only had what five coaches, six coaches in our history. He's one of them and one of the most successful that we've had. So just like Joe, love Cal, but we coming in this Saturday, Cal. No doubt. I like this. We're gonna kick that ass. I like it. We're gonna kick that ass. All right. We went. how long do we just talk about? Yeah, I don't know. It was a, I knew it was going to happen. It was as soon as soon as we tie. was already getting ready for it. Cause me and Charlie's talked about this before.

We just feel opposite on it. it's good stuff, we've had these arguments before. these aren't the first arguments we've had on this big game coming up Saturday night. Kentucky needs to get it done. They got that game. They'll win by 20 points. They're, they're, they're struggling. They're at the bottom of the sec. Anthony says we're going to win by 20. I actually think that they'll find a way to keep it close just because I don't, it's

It's got to be drama. I feel like it's got to be drama. Something's going to happen. Hopefully we don't lose. I there's no drama. I so hope you're right. Well, next week, same time, same place. We'll have a Superbowl preview. We'll look at the game. We'll look at some prop bets. What color Gatorade we like to get dumped on the winter.

all the good stuff. I'll never forget that time you told me about the Gatorade. He knew it too. knew exactly what I said. Why didn't you bet more? Damn it. Before next, because they limit your bet. But before next week, we're going to find out what color Gatorade is it is going to be dumped on the winner. Let's look into that, Anthony. Let's find a bet. We're going to bet the max that they allow us on the Gatorade. I'll bet it a thousand times if I know it for sure. Let's let's figure it out. We're going to I'm going to do a deep dive into the internet to see what color Gatorade the Eagles.

And the chiefs like, and we're going to see if we can find a winner on that. So next week, same time, same place guys I don't know. Hit some college basketball games or something. No football this weekend. We got a break pro bowl. They'll be playing flag football. I don't watch that shit. So find some way to blitz the book. You guys hit some college basketball and check out Kentucky kicking cows ass on Saturday night. See y'all. See y'all next week.